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Keys to the Ultimate Freedom - Thoughts and Talks on Personal Transformation by Lester Levenson. Seldom have I found such positive. The web site tvnovellas.info has Lester's story devided over 13 web pages, easy to print and read format, so now you can read Lester's inspiring story. This was popularized by the late Lester Levenson, and is now taught in the Abundance Course (tvnovellas.info) and The Sedona Method.


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Lester Levenson - Ultimate Truth Part 1 - 2 & 3 (52 Pages) - Free download as PDF File .pdf), Text File .txt) or read online for free. By Lester Levenson Lester: No, she doesn't have faith and she is not pious I this is her trouble. ego is “I am an individual, Lester: and 1 have a body. Achieve Financial Freedom, Stress Relief & Spiritual Growth by learning the meditation techniques of the self help program The Release Technique.

He had many health problems including depression, an enlarged liver, kidney stones, spleen trouble, hyperacidity, and ulcers that had perferated his stomach and formed lesions. He was so unhealthy, in fact, that after having his second coronary, his doctors sent him home to his Central Park South penthouse apartment in New York City to die. Lester was a man who loved challenges. So, instead of giving up, he decided to go back to the lab within himself and find some answers. Because of his determination and concentration, he was able to cut through his conscious mind to find what he needed. What he found was the ultimate tool for personal growth—a way of letting go of all inner limitations.

It works instantly. People will actually fit our consciousness of them. Then, if Lillian tells me she wants a bigger house, I've got to clear my own consciousness to let her fulfill my desires. Because it's only in my thoughts that I have her considered, isn't that right? I don't have to consider Lillian; it's only me that I have to consider, my own happiness, then she is happy. That is, my own happiness would be to go to the ultimate happiness— Lester: But you gotta separation: Lil and me.

I always had this problem, you know, since I've known you. You didn't have it at times; you would say, "Who is Lillian but my consciousness? I say that. I just said it a few minutes ago: I've only got to deal with my own consciousness.

That includes Lillian, right? Yes, that's right. That includes a bigger house, too. I'll have to get rid of a limitation within my own consciousness. That's all I'm dealing with anyway: I'm not dealing with Lillian or houses or land, I'm dealing with my own consciousness. The blocks are within myself or the unlimitedness is within myself.

And, as you said: If I'm an infinite Being now, I can do it now! I won't have to wait until I get home. We're going to the moving quick! By the time you get home, Lil, you're going to be happy with your house, as is.

If you accepted it, that same house could be twice the size, when you went home. It would be so natural you wouldn't even notice it. You'd just move into a home twice the size that you left. I once took an entire island for myself, Bob.

I took an entire island off the China coast. I'm going back now. I owned an entire island all myself. And grew the most delicious fruit trees. Exported the idea to the Mainland. This was in a past life. I was trying to discover why I've always liked fruit so much. When I was a child I always preferred fruit to any other food, and I still do. And it threw me back into a life off the China coast. I had a whole island and I spent most of my time in developing bigger and better fruit trees and then exported the trees to the Mainland.

But I had an entire island. I was king of my domain. You can have as big a home as you want. Take all you want, but take the best, is what I'm saying. Take all you want and take the best. Well, if we don't have any more questions, I'll call the Session off. Any more questions? You want to say anything about healing? Maybe that's one of the things you thought of in regard to me. Well, that's part of what I've been saying: And we should have it instantaneously.

Anything in the way of health or wealth. Teddi demonstrated that, didn't she? With her father. Her father had a stroke last week and was getting totally paralyzed and when she got to the hospital, he was mostly paralyzed and he looked as though he was finished. She went in and put a question to him, "Do you want to leave, Daddy? And she began to cry and he grabbed her,—he had one hand that wasn't para lyzed yet,—and he grabbed her by the hand and he started to cry.

And then she called in all the power that she is and she said the whole room, everyone in the room, there were others in the room, everyone got quite: It was like everyone was meditating and all of a sudden he started to get better and better.

And he undid most of his paralysis. He didn't leave the hospital because they wanted to keep him there for checking. But she used it for her father. But she got him to go with her by her turning on the power. He responded to it. He's all right now?

I was so totally accepting of the fact that he is perfect that when he came to life and sat up and spoke to me I wasn't even aware of the fact that it had happened. This is how much accepting of it you are,—until the Doctor came back into the room, looked at him and then yelled for the oxygen tank and plopped it over his head, which scared him again.

But he didn't leave; he stayed. When we turn on the power full, it's there. Is there a meeting here tonight? Ken and Vivian came in. Ken Nign has just entered the room, at the tail end. Where you coming from? From selling the airplane. This group seems too peaceful. Did you just chew them out or something?

I think so. Not "out" but "up," and upward. You gave them something to think about, I can tell, everyone of them. How much can you count?

Talk and laughter. Well, she's just taking it from the top, I guess. No, it was from the tape. There's really no order to them. She's just taking one she happened to hit. Seemed like a pretty good group there. I almost felt, "Gee, that's a better group than we got out here. It's probably different, isn't it? You'll recognize yours when it comes, because we're leaving in first names, now. They'll only be once a month now, because people were complaining that there's too much in there; please don't send so much.

So they'll probably average around 12 pages each, once a month. And that way you can better absorb it, I guess. But you can see the advantage of having it in black and white rather than listening to a tape, because when you hit something that strikes you, you stay with it; whereas if I'm talking I can go on to something else when you're trying to or beginning to, get a realization of some thing.

By my talking about something else I pull you off it. And the next time you go to it, it is more difficult to get the realization. Momentum is very important in getting realizations. You stay with something, it becomes clearer and clearer as you stay with it. But if it starts getting clear and you move off, when you come back on to it, it's more difficult to get into it again. And so, I am anti talks, tapes, because of that. I can see it doing harm in that it doesn't let you stay with something, because the conversa tion goes on and on and you move off one thing onto another—to.

I believe you got much more good out of reading the book The Ultimate Truth than you did out of listening to me. Listening to me you get an impetuous to move, but when you get with the book, you get the real ization. You can stay with those statements and make them,—make that knowledge, your knowledge, and that's when it's usable to you, when you make it your knowledge.

Of course you can listen to the tapes over and over again-that will help you, too. So, I'm not in favor of talking because of that; it doesn't allow you to stay with anything.

And if you are getting a realization, the conversa tion that goes on after that pulls you away from it and makes it more difficult to approach it next time. Are you getting things out of the Sessions, Harry? Realizations that you didn't have before? I'm getting things for my brother all the time. I was surprised when I read that the Truth that came in those.

Sessions, you were teaching that clear back in or whatever the date was. I thought,—it sounded like you in the current era. It was the same Truth then as it is now. And ever will be. It should never change. What I say should never be different, should it? Well, I was hoping it would get easier. It's very easy, actually, unless you make it difficult. I think I mentioned before my brother is a Jehovah's Witness and you know, they're real keen on this Jehovah-God.

I asked him one time, "Why do we have to name our God? Would He be mad if we said, 'Bill? But then you brought out the fact that the root of this, and I haven't seen any verification of this and I'd like to know a little more about it if you can tell me that Jehovah-God means the "I Am" God. Jehovah means I am. Where do you get this from?

I'd like to know cause I would like to pass it on. It was told to me by a student of the Bible who knew Hebrew. They're very keen on Hebrew. They're rewriting the whole Bible. Now why haven't they come up with this? Or maybe they've come up with this and suppressed it, I don't know. You don't have the right one in me when you're talking about the Bible. I'm not a student of the Bible. Does anyone else know that, or has anyone heard that Jehovah means I am. I have. Any way, that's our common ground.

Any time he says "Jehovah" I say "Ahem! There is one sentence in the entire Bible that is capitalized. Do you know what it is? Yes, or better: How do you see all these discourses of this type? Of course, I guess you base it on what your motive is for discoursing. Everyone is seeking the exact, same, thing in his every act. Every being is seeking exactly that which we are seeking in every thing he is doing.

Can you see it now? I think we all ought to see that: The world calls it the ultimate happiness. We call it the "I that I am.

Discover your Self and you discover the greatest happi ness and you get the greatest contentment. It's a satiation that is all satisfying. We still hold onto the beliefs that we have extreme limita tions. This is the problem. And we don't have enough incentive to let go of them. As I said, there's no reason why anyone here shouldn't have everything he or she wants for the mere thought of it, instanta- neously,—that some day you're going to do this.

Why not now? And the reason is, I say, that you don't believe it. You hold onto the oppo site: Well maybe it's because things are going easier, things don't matter and then we don't go ahead. Yes, the incentive, the drive, is far less now than it was when we were unhappy. If it's much less then we should be more peaceful.

Well, aren't we? But what I'm trying to do is to get you to the total peace. Until you get there, there will always be annoyances in life. Even though it's much better now, it should be best.

Got one more step to go. What do we need to go it? This is the big thing: We need to believe that we can. I think we need to recognize that we don't believe that we can, first. We're still holding onto tremendous non-acceptance of the idea that we are unlimited. When you see first that you really don't accept it,—if you confront that, you can let go of that better. If we rushed into that as fast as we rush into things that cause us problems, we wouldn't have any.

This evening when you spoke of Teddi asking you to be with her when we went to see her father,—what kind of thoughts do you think when you think of her father? I know he is infinite, all-perfect, and to the degree I know that, to that degree I support him in his perception of his perfection.

In theory we are supposed to do this with everybody we see, isn't this true? Cause we're only talking about ourself. But if it is a theory, a theory is something that is abstract and is out here by itself. It doesn't necessarily mean a belief.

A theory is not a law; it is supposition. After it is proven, a theory becomes a law. This gives us our freedom then, to know that whoever we meet is the same person. There's nothing out there but our consciousness. Why did you use the word "our"?

Your, is that better? That makes me feel good. Because we are one, that's why I used the word "our. What I was trying to get away from is the idea of having to overcome another consciousness. I don't have anything to overcome. You're right; you don't overcome. You see what is. There's nothing else. There's nothing else but what is.

And what is is whole, perfect, grand, and glorious, and delightful, and exotic and ecstatic and everything good you can think of. He's getting to be quite a sale man, isn't he? All those adjectives? You see, if you people would do these things: We could all do it together.

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If you could accept it—. Don't wait for us, Lester. I didn't, but I came back to you, and this time I want you to come with me. Talking about demonstration, isn't it very helpful many times for the Guru to point out things or perhaps, doing some act. You want an act of magic? If I performed acts of magic it would help you none.

I don't think any,—Art, have you seen any acts of magic? That isn't what I said; those are your words. Demonstration, all right? I'll come down to the word demonstration. I think Art has seen some demonstration. Ken, you've seen a demonstration. I don't know whether you still accept it. He saw it, and then he said it wasn't, see, this is what usually happens. How do you feel about it now? I've seen a year and a half of demonstration, friends. But remember the machine, the duplicator that wasn't working?

At Caltex. Oh, yeah. Did it happen, or didn't it happen? Now as far as you're concerned? I'm sure that it did. It couldn't, but it did. And not only I was. I went to Caltex with Ken and I wanted to get copies from one of the books in their library. The duplicating machine was out of order; there was a piece of tape over the money part so you couldn't put money in; there was a big sign: She said "It's been out of order and they tried to fix it.

I went over to the machine and I took the tape off the money thing and I got, I think it was two or three copies of pages I wanted and I said to Ken, "It would be interesting to see what happens now I don't need it any more. We've been waiting for the repair man to come in and fix it. But when I wanted the copies made, the machine worked. That's magic. And yet it's just a mere effortless thought that does these things.

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But it didn't help Ken any, did it? I said, "Coincidence. Yes, coincidence. Then I gave him a demonstration of harmony on a trip we took. I just said, "It is," I let go and I let it be. What happens when you release is only what happens for you.

So be easy on yourself and do only what you can when you can. You'll make it eventually, regardless. The six steps were revised from Levenson's own original series. But were changed only to make them more workable. Again, these are laid out in more detail through any of the various books and recordings you can find.

Even videos online will explain these more. The six steps of releasing are: 1. Decide that you can release in the moment. Notice what you are feeling in the moment, and determine which of the four wants underlies that feeling, and then let the feeling go. But don't hold onto a feeling if it's already gone in order to determine what want was present.

Release constantly, regardless of what you are doing or who you are with. If you feel "stuck", then simply let go of that stuck-feeling, or wanting to change that "stuckness". Every time you release, you will probably feel lighter, happier, and freer. Often you need to release on any exhilaration you feel - so you can keep releasing. You can make a chart of the four needs and the six steps to keep in your wallet or purse or pocket - until you know them by heart and are able to release easily.

A simple way to do this is to notice when some emotional thought has come in to your awareness. Don't try to figure on it or solve it - just look for what emotion comes in with it.

Now, look below that to find out what of the four wants would use that emotion. Then see if you could let the whole thing go. There are many examples of how to do this, and several techniques which have been developed.

Again, you can access the various web sites listed in Lesson 12 video and the appendix of this book for more guidance. In addition to their paid courses, they also have many free explanations and downloadable examples of how releasing works. Your assignment is to simply incorporate releasing into your daily review times. At least at first. You'll find releasing to be a very valuable tool for use all during the day, once you get the hang of it. For right now, as you consider your goal - and holding that you already have it - if or when any other thought comes in, trace it back to the feeling or emotion it contains and then right back to the underlying want or desire.

Then see if you can let that whole package go.

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Keep doing this until you feel better about it and back to being calmly cheerful and expectant as a regular attitude. Releasing is what makes Hill, Nightingale, and all the rest really start to work like gangbusters for you.

Lester: You haven't created everything and then let go of all your wealth, have you? Lester: Let me tell you why it isn't true: you've got a false idea. Q: Maybe it's semantics we're talking about here. Lester: No, it's not semantics. It's a wrong idea. And I'll tell you how; I'll talk about me again. When I wanted to prove to me that I could be a millionaire, I went into the real estate business, started downloading apartment houses on a no-cash investment in each building.

In six-month's time I accumulated 23 apartment houses, 20 to 40 units each, and I was worth a million dollars. I had that much equity accumulated,—I guess it was in 2 years' time. Everything went up in value and I had it. All right now, I let it go because I saw that my security was in my ability to produce at will Now, I know from experience already I can produce a million dollars. I already know I can produce at will. And therefore, I have everything that I want. I decided a year ago, I'm going to make money.

It's pouring in on me—right now. It's pyra miding, very rapidly. Q: You're achieving the same thing as you were coming into, or the world to the center and back out again. You are your Self but your intention is with the world. Lester: The actual materiality is coming in. You can still have more and more and more of materiality: there's no trick in there where you have it and then you don't have it. No, there's no such trick. If you want it, you can have it more and more.

It's loaded; it's not a snow- job. Now, some people may choose to— Q: Some people take it that way is what I was referring to, that this is the golden road and so on and actually when they get into it and begin to see the Truth, there's this thing, what you are, and you've got to give up this almost to enjoy this over here.

Lester: You don't have to give up anything, Harry. You take on more and more and more. You don't give up anything. I've heard you say the very same thing, that finally you get to the place where you give up the greater pleasure for the lesser pleasure. I've heard you say that. Lester: You give up a lesser pleasure for a greater pleasure; you got it upside down.

You're taking on more all the time, not the reverse. You're carrying through some of your old concepts and applying it to what I'm saying which isn't true; you take on more and more all the time. You're reaching for an infinity and you never stop until you've got an infinity. That's right. Here's your infinity and then you reach back here for something that's not infinite. Lester: Ah, no, wait a minute, the infinity includes all; there's nothing excluded. Your concept of infinity as being partial needs to be checked.

Well, relevant to Truth, Truth is what doesn't change and the world changes so it's illusionary, it's a momentary truth. Lester: Do you really think you're going to have less as you go on getting more and more of Truth? Lester: Well then, why do you call it a snow-job? Do you really think it is? Do you still think it is? Well, I was saying if you came into this,—if the attraction for this type of thought was that you,—similar to the Charles Simmons approach, you make a million dollars,—I was saying that your value structure at the time the million dollars was the mountain, and that was what you wanted to do, but when you learned more and more of Truth, of who you really are and what this is all about, this becomes the secondary thing, not the primary thing at all, which it was before.

This is the primary thing, your very Being, your knowledge of Self. Lester: That's the Simmons' teachings that you're applying to our teachings and it doesn't fit. You got separations going on, this and that and one versus the other: and this is the main point I'm trying to get across: you don't lose anything; you don't lose your body; you don't lose your wealth, but you can take more of both; you can take more health and more wealth and be non-attached to both of them and be free with them.

Q: Yeah, I believe that. Lester: And basically I've been asking, so why don't we go all the way and get totally free so we have no more troubles, no more miseries, where we can have anything for the mere thought of it.

Some day we're going to do this, everyone of us; why not now? Q: Is desire limitation? Q: Then, with Harry's thought in mind, if you went all the way, why would you desire anything, such as the million dollars? Q: Which is back to your early teaching to us,—I think we were all sold on it,—about this thing of desirelessness, limitlessness, freedom; there seems to be a little conflict. Lester: Here's the conflict: you don't believe it. Now, if you had everything, what could you desire?

Nothing, right? But do you have everything? Q: Sure I do. Lester: I want to answer Art's question. There's no contradiction.

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Right now we want things; we want freedom; we want total freedom; we want all happiness and no sorrow. We should have that. We should have all the wealth we want, even if it's a billion dollars. And we go on and on until we have everything we want. I'm not against getting the things we want; I'm for it.

When you have everything you want, you're there! Q: If you had the realization, why would you desire the million? Lester: Get it, and then look see. If you had the realization, why would you have it? See, this is hypothetical— Q: No, I said why would you desire the million, because a desire is a limitation.

Lester: Do you have everything?

Lester: Therefore, you cannot get the answer to it. So I'm saying get everything first, and then you'll see the answer. See, you're looking at up there from down here; you're wanting things here; you're saying, "Well, if I get everything then I won't want anything. But I'm trying to coax you to take everything. Fulfill every desire. That's the way to get to the desireless state. Q: It used to be we went from the top down, now we're going from the bottom up, aren't we?

I'm trying to get the group to move to the place where they just think and get whatever they want. Q: In other words, you don't want to assume knowledge, you want Knowledge?

Lester: This is knowledge; this is know-how, is it not, to think and get what you want. That's knowledge. That's the real knowledge. Q: It's still assumed knowledge until it's demonstrated. Lester: Yes, but when you do it, you really know how. Q: This is what you're saying, isn't it? Are we practicing that, even in business today?

Are we thinking and having things happen? Q: Don't have any trouble with parking places any more. Lester: No trouble in what? Q: Parking places. Lester: Well! That's great! You know why? You can apply that to anything! Just dare! Raise your sights from parking places to bigger and bigger and bigger. It's the exact same principle, Harry, that works for parking places or places to park gold, your gold. If you can apply that same feeling, that same principle, to other things, you'll have them also.

And what I'm suggesting is that you do this now. Think and have things happen the way you think yourself into a parking place. Think yourself into everything you want. Q: I think we're all doing this. Working in that direction. It's the point where you've got to be pretty careful what you think. I'm very happy and very glad that we were exposed to Jewell who taught us, or a least I'm speaking for myself now—how to build a house.

Lester: Ken isn't here now; you can say "we. Lester: Are you troubled with too many things? Q: I've got a few in my garage I want to get rid of. Lester: You're troubled with too much money? Q: It's not a problem to me. Lester: Are you troubled with too much of it? Q: I'm not in that state. The feeling I have now about money is: so what? I have all I need. Lester: In other words, you're content. Q: So to speak, perhaps. Lester: And I'm trying to get you beyond that contented state. I'm trying to get you to go further so that you just think and things happen, immediately.

What you don't see is that now you think that you must think now and later on the thing happens. And I want to get you where you think now and it happens now. Q: Isn't that hallucination? Lester: Oh no! Q: How else would you get it?

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One method of getting is by being, seeing and feeling in the state that you want to be and this thing follows. My biggest problem is getting other people in this. Lester: Speak for yourself, Bob, get it for yourself. After you've got it for yourself, then you can help others; you can show them how they can get it for themselves.

Q: I still want to influence other people's lives. It's still the same old question I asked you when I first met you, I still haven't got satisfied within myself. Lester: The satisfaction for all your questions will come only when you discover the full answers. I have never answered any question for you, Bob. I have tried to help you to get the answers for you. But I really believe that you're not convinced that you can have anything for the mere thought of it.

You don't even believe it, leave alone being convinced. If you were convinced it would be so for you. So, maybe it just boils down to the fact that we don't want anymore; we're satisfied. Are we? Q: What bothered me a great deal when you used to talk, occasionally you'd bring this up, you'd say you can suffer and yet be beyond it.

This to me doesn't make sense; how can you suffer when you can't suffer? Your true Being can't suffer, yet you'd say, "Well, I can be hurting and yet I can think otherwise," this doesn't make sense at all.

You can't hurt and know what you truly are. You can't be limited and know what you really are. Lester: The body can hurt— Q: I don't believe it!

Lester: And I, if I am not the body, will not hurt. Q: Then your body doesn't hurt! Because there's nothing there. Now, to really understand these things, as everything else, you must experience them. You see, I give out different levels of Beingness in trying to get you to move up. There are different concepts of the body.

The concept—"I am the body" means I have to suffer every limitation this body has. If I take on the concept—"I can control this body," then I can make it be the way I want it to be.

I can make it healthy and I don't feel it. I can move up further and say, "I am not the body," and even though the body hurts, I, being not the body, it doesn't bother me. And then the body is out there and I am here, and the body out there I know has pain in it, but it doesn't bother me.

And then I can move up from there, too, see? These are all different levels. When I see that I am not the body, totally, the body can never ever limit me in any way. So, it's a matter of what level you're looking at it from.

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I move up; it gets better and better. Go all the way to the top, you're not the body, you're just Beingness being all Beingness. Q: And since I'm the limitation, the body being a limitation, if I refuse limitation then there's no body to be messed with? Frankly, sometimes I'm afraid of going insane. Lester: You couldn't even if you tried. You know too much. Insanity comes from deep, deep apathy.

No one here is in apathy: no one is near apathy. So, fortunately, we can't go insane, so that's nothing to worry about. If you want to go out of your mind, that's possible. You can go beyond your mind; you don't have to think if you don't want to. You can move into the realm of knowingness and then you operate on the spur of the moment, like a hunch, a hunch or an intuitive feeling, or it just comes to you; you know without thinking.

If you're doing that, you're operating beyond mind. You're operating in the realm of knowingness, where you don't have to think. But that's not insanity. That's the other end of the scale. Any one else have any questions on Why don't we go all the way? Why don't we just think and have things happen? Q: You never have explained what you really mean by going all the way. Lester: I did, right at the beginning. Go to the unlimited state; be totally free; have no more compulsions; have no more subconscious thoughts operating; every thought you have is a choice of the moment.

Q: In other words what you're saying you want us to work out in our own system, in our own way, the thoughts that we have harbored within us, and this to you is our growth. Lester: Let go of all the subconscious thoughts. Q: Well then, where's this money complex coming into this thing? Lester: I'm just baiting you; that's where it comes in.

We all want money, so I'm putting it up as an incentive, to make you go further and get a million dollars. You can always drop it if you don't want it. Q: To each his own. Maybe that isn't my type of demonstration. And I'm asking Why don't you want to live this nice, beautiful, easy way? Q: I do. Lester: I say you don't, Harry. Q: A few pains, here and there. Lester: Oh.

A few here and a few there. You don't have everything you want, Harry. If you want to see me later, I can tell you a lot of things that you want that you don't have. Q: Got that mouse in your pocket again?

Lester: Well, are there any other things that you would like to ask? Is there anything that I can help you with on anything? Q: Can we help each other? I mean, like Art and I. Q: Or, if we see that the other one needs help is it just us that needs it? Lester: You can help the other one to help himself. If you do things for the other one, you cripple the other one. But we can help others to help themselves. Q: Mainly by our change of attitude?

Lester: That's part of it; just changing your attitude toward the other one helps the other one. The more we see the perfection of the other one, the more we're supporting the other one toward that perfection.

You change your attitude and the other one will change; watch it. Q: To change my attitude, do you mean my basic understanding that he's part of my consciousness and there's nothing but perfect consciousness and not think of him as an individual limited? That's an excellent way to do it. It works, doesn't it? Q: It works perfectly, yes. It works instantly. Lester: People will actually fit our consciousness of them.

Q: Then, if Lillian tells me she wants a bigger house, I've got to clear my own consciousness to let her fulfill my desires. Because it's only in my thoughts that I have her considered, isn't that right? I don't have to consider Lillian; it's only me that I have to consider, my own happiness, then she is happy. That is, my own happiness would be to go to the ultimate happiness— Lester: But you gotta separation: Lil and me.

Q: I always had this problem, you know, since I've known you. Lester: You didn't have it at times; you would say, "Who is Lillian but my consciousness? I say that. I just said it a few minutes ago: I've only got to deal with my own consciousness. That includes Lillian, right? Q: Yes, that's right. Q: That includes a bigger house, too.